Talk of the Town, Jacob Polley

First of all, thank you to everyone who braved the drizzly weather last night, and a special welcome to newbie Rachel!

Reactions to Jacob Polley’s Talk of the Town proved to be very mixed, starting with the cover of the book itself – some of us were put off by the photo of a young lad smoking, others said that had they seen it in a bookshop it was intriguing enough to have made them pick up the book.  From there we had further split opinions on the dialect – some found it off-putting and in one case extremely hard to read.  We did have a Cumbrian-born in our midst, who said that once she got used to seeing it written down rather than spoken, she found the dialect convincing.  The lack of punctuation was off-putting for some, and even annoying to others.

We talked about the characters - many people found them all very hard to like or even empathise with.  Some sympathy was voiced for Chris, for Arthur (and also for his parents), and perhaps most universally for the tramp, in what was felt to be a very powerfully wrought section of the book.  The unprovoked nature of the attack on the tramp led us on to discuss the way that the older boys/men, Booby, Carl etc, could be as cruel to each other - for example Carl’s torture - as to others outside their group, and that the book was an interesting insight into the workings of peer groups, and especially the way younger boys look up to older ones and seek to emmulate them.  There was a feeling that Arthur had followed the classic path of being sucked into it all out of a need or desire to belong to the group.

The sense of time and place was felt to be well realised, and there were also some great insights into the inner life and thoughts of a young adolescent.  It was pointed out that Chris at least did not come from a particularly deprived background – his father had a job, he and his mother obviously had a strong bond, and when he was sent out for the day, it was at least with money in his pocket. 

Again there were mixed feelings about the plot and where it was going to lead, but interestingly, no-one in the group of nine had foreseen that Arthur’s role in the death of the tramp was not what Chris had assumed.  It was noted that there were quite a few loose ends left unresolved at the end of the book, not least what happens to Arthur, but generally this was not felt to be a failing, but rather perhaps a reflection on just how life is.

Returning to Whitley Bay - a couple of diary reminders: Whitley Bay’s literary festival, WORDplay is happening this weekend at St Paul’s Church from 10 to 5.30 – as mentioned in the last post they’re looking for some volunteers to help out on the day, or otherwise please do check out www.culturequarter.org for full listings and go along on the day!

And don’t forget that we can see both the authors of our next two books at BBC’s Free Thinking Festival at the Sage.  On Saturday 24th October  the event with Lionel Shriver (A Perfectly Good Family, Nov book) will be on from 10.30 til 11.30, and the following day, Sun 25th, Sarah Hall (How to Paint a Dead Man, Dec book) will also be on from 10.30 to 11.30.  Both events are free but entrance is by tickets, available in advance from the Sage box office on 0191 443 4661 or via their website.

And finally – at our November meeting we’ll be choosing a book for the group to read for our February meeting.  Please bring along a favourite read which you think could lead to a good book group discussion – there’ll be a chance for everyone to “sell” their book at the meeting, and then we’ll come up with one choice to read for the actual meeting in Feb and hopefully a whole list of other books we’d like to add to our Christmas wish list!

see you at the Sage or at the November meeting!

Cathy

WORDplay, Saturday 17th October, Whitley Bay – volunteers needed!

As many of you by now will hopefully know, Whitley Bay is getting its very own literary festival, WORDplay, to be held in St Paul’s Church and Parish Centre on Saturday 17th October.  The organisers have asked me to see if anyone would be able to volunteer a few hours on the day, to be around as extra pairs of hands.  If you think you can help out, please get in touch with Linda MacFadyen, events@culturequarter.org.

Nineteen Eighty-Four

What a great start to our autumn season – 3 new people!  (Once they’d found their way in through the Avalon Hotel next door – there is usually an A-board out in front of the Trojan Rooms explaining the route!)

Before we got down to Nineteen Eighty-Four, we looked at the books we’re doing for the next few months, including Lionel Shriver’s A Perfectly Good Family, which links in with her appearance at the BBC Radio 3 Free Thinking Festival at the Sage Gateshead on Sat 24th October.  Also – Whitley Bay is getting its very own Literature Festival – WORDplay – on Sat 17th Oct, 10-5.30pm at St Paul’s Church.  It will combine a book fair, author and poetry readings, writing workshops for adults and children, and local theatre company performances.  As the saying goes – see local press for details over the coming weeks, events@culturequarter.org or info@outsideinevents.co.uk or just go along on the day and support and show your support.

Once we got down to it, Nineteen Eighty-Four provoked a really good discussion on everything from the book itself, to the level of surveillance in society today, politics, history, power for power’s sake and individuals’ responsibilities in society.  I think it’s fair to say everyone liked it (can you say you love something that bleak?), and all were struck by how many things in the book resonated in today’s society, and how many of his ideas and phrases have entered our culture, from Big Brother (although we did question how many participants know where the reference comes from, or even realise it’s from a book!) and Room 101 on TV, to the phrases such as doublethink and thought police.  We also talked about how perceptions of the book, and even its very success might have been different if the alternative title that Orwell was toying with – Last Man in Europe – had been chosen instead.

As a body of writing we liked the way Orwell both developed the story and described the world they lived in, although there was some doubt that had it been printed today such a long continuous chunk of Goldstein’s book (30-pages plus!) would have been included – there was general sympathy for Julia falling asleep while Winston read to her (and us)!

Incidently, I was orginally putting 1984 as the title of this book, until I came across the following comment in the Time Higher Education, “The change from a number written out as words to Arabic numerals in itself mimics the terrifying reduction of words and thoughts in the world Orwell creates.”  So back to the words then, even though they take longer to type!

Our next book is Jacob Polley’s Talk of the Town.  I’ve just started it and am already fascinated by the dialect – looking forward to seeing what everyone else makes of it – see you in October!

Cathy

Welcome to Life, Alice de Smith

Well, we’re back in business, with apologies again for the cancelled June meeting, especially to any of you we didn’t reach with the news.  Thanks to the nice people at the Trojan Rooms there was at least a note on the door telling you what had happened, but if you did end up at the Trojan Rooms on the night, you might want to think about the contact details that Liv has for you!

And so on to the meeting - reactions to Welcome to Life varied from OK to not really liking it at all.  Most of us found it a very easy, well paced read, although perhaps rather ”lightweight”.  Some felt there was not a strong enough sense of time and place – Jane suggested that more references to the music, films and TV that Freya and her friends were into would have placed the book more firmly in 1989.  Conversely references to cappucinos and paninis were questioned, although perhaps Cambridge was just ahead of where we all lived in 1989!

Most people found it hard to connect with or get involved with the characters too much, although we found the Glinkas interesting and would have liked to know more about them.  We talked about how the book could have been grittier – although that’s quite a difficult one because it’s the author’s right to write their own book, not ours to want it to be a different book! – but it did then lead on to a discussion about what genre we thought the book should fit into.  We felt that it wasn’t really chick lit, and despite it being told from the point of view of a teenager, those with knowledge of current teenagers didn’t think it would appeal to them, or was particularly aimed at them.

The ending provoked a lot of discussion – nearly all of us felt we’d have prefered the book to have ended with Millie’s last note to Freya telling her to always remember she was the most beautiful girl in the world (certainly an improvement on “be less scary”!).  There was some disquiet at the fact that Freya seemed so much more comfortable with her mother after her accident, in her reduced and more compliant state, although Shana pointed out that she’d read that as meaning she was coming to terms with Millie and her behaviour before the accident, at least as much as after it.

We then moved onto to talking about other books – Jane suggested another local author, Carol Clewlow’s Not Married, Not Bothered, and then told us about Black Swan Green – similar coming-of-age theme as Welcome to Life, but set slightly earlier and told from a boy’s point of view.  She did such a good job of selling the book that I was off to Whitley Bay this morning in a successful search for the copy she’d seen in a charity shop!

Brenda mentioned that she’d heard about a literary festival to be held in Whitley Bay - I’m afraid I haven’t been able to find out anything about it, but if anyone else knows more about it, please do let me know!

And so now, for all those who feel our last couple of choices may have been a little less than challenging, and dare I say it, fluffy, we move on to 1984….  I ought to confess that when I put it forward as one of several hopefully diverse choices which were then voted on, I had fairly recently re-read Brave New World (which I still loved), but hadn’t read 1984 for ages (in fact, since 1984) and so I thought putting it forward might give me an excuse to read it again.  Having read it while recuperating (not a choice I recommend for a speedy recovery) I can say categorically that fluffy it is not!  If anyone has any other books with similar themes (apart from Brave New World, which I’ll bring), then please do bring them along to the next meeting, together with any other books you’d either like to suggest that we read for a meeting, or just generally publicise as a good read.  Alternatively you can post some suggestions here, or if you send an email marked for me to Liv, she can forward it on to me.

We don’t have a meeting in August, so our next meeting, to tackle 1984, is on 9th September, at 7.30pm – have a great summer and see you in September!

Cathy

June Meeting cancelled

Hello Everyone

By now you will all have hopefully been contacted by Liv one way or another to say that unfortunately we’ve had to cancel the June meeting.  I came off my bike at the end of May, and altho the broken arm and dislocated elbow are doing OK, I’m afraid I’m still not quite up to leading the book group yet.   I’m really sorry, but look forward to seeing you all on 8th July, when we’ll talk about Alice de Smith’s Welcome to Life.  We then have a break in August, and come back on 9th September, for the much postponed, but quite timely (60 yrs since publication) 1984.

In the meantime I am at least getting a chance to read some of the books from my much-too-big “to-read” shelf, which is a bonus.  If anyone has any favourite reads they’d like to share with the group, please do bring them along to the July meeting, and hopefully we can all go away with some good ideas for summer-holiday reading !

See you all in July!

Cathy

The Room of Lost Things – Stella Duffy

Well – our biggest meeting yet!  Thanks to all who came along, and a special welcome to the newbies!

There was quite a mixed reaction to Stella Duffy’s “The Room of Lost Things” – I think it’s fair to say no-one actually disliked it, but the feelings ranged from loving it, to it just being OK.  Those of us who loved it seemed to particularly enjoy the insight into so-called “ordinary” lives and the minute details with which Duffy built up the people and places.  The mundaneness of the area was questioned as a location for the book, but again (apart from being where Duffy herself lives) it was felt that the very ordinaryness of the area was what made it interesting and was justification in itself as a location.

For some the title of the book had proved something of a red herring and they’d thought and hoped that more would be made of the items in the Room of Lost Things, and that they would have some significance or link to the other characters in the book.

The dual endings also provoked some good discussion.  For some the negative ending had seemed predictable and inevitable, whereas for others it would have seemed out of character.  The two alternative endings gave a choice, and there was no consensus as to which was preferred or “right”.  For a few though there was frustration that Duffy had not actually “done her job” and provided a “proper” ending!

As it is a book of details I’ll end with a couple – Dan and Charlie, the two guys who spend their days on the sofa watching the world go by are named for Dan Leno (a music hall comedian) and Charlie Chaplin who lived and worked respectively in the area.  And the Australian nanny’s full name is Helen Goff – Helen Lyndon Goff is the real name of P L Travers, the Australian author of the story of the most famous nanny of them all – Mary Poppins!

OK – I’ve finished showing off now, and instead I’m off to start our next book, hot off the presses and delivered in person to the meeting by the lovely Liv, “Welcome to Life” by Alice de Smith – see you on 10th June at 7.30!

Cathy

Out Stealing Horses, Per Pettersen

A slightly smaller group this time, but great to still have new faces joining us!

Out Stealing Horses was pretty well received.  We all enjoyed Per Pettersen’s  beautiful descriptions of the countryside, the unsentimental way the story was told, the small but insightful comments dotted through the book, and the way the two stories, present and past, were interwoven.  The character of Trond’s father in particular seemed to come out very clearly, and we talked a lot about the relationship with present day Lars, and also the brief meeting with his daughter, and what both told us about the man Trond had been in between the events related in the book.  Many of us said we’d look out for more of his in the future, which had to be a good sign of approval!

We also looked at the choices that NWN have put forward for their Read Regional in June, and we decided to go for Alice de Smith’s Welcome to Life.  Liv from NWN will be joining us for the May meeting and will have copies available for us to buy at the meeting – the book isn’t formally published until 1st June – at half price (£6.50 for the hardback).  Because of the Read Regional in June, we’ll now be doing 1984 in July, and since we don’t have a meeting in August we could look at a slightly longer book to read over the summer – any suggestions always welcome either here or at the meetings.

I hope everyone’s enjoying Stella Duffy’s The Room of Lost Things, and look forward to hearing what everyone thought on May 13th, at 7.30 – see you then!

Cathy

Second Meeting – “God’s Own Country”

Many thanks to those of you who came to our second meeting of the Whitley Bay Reading Group.  It was reassuring to see that those of you who came to the first meeting actually came back, and also great to be joined by more new people!

We had a very interesting time in God’s Own Country, tracing Sam Marsdyke’s journey “from oddball isolation to fully fledged insanity” (Justine Jordan in The Guardian).  Most of us liked the book itself, and there was pretty much universal admiration for the way in which the book was written, particularly Ross Raisin’s use of language.

Much of the discussion however was centred on the character of Sam Marsdyke.  We all thought his was a powerful voice, and it was fascinating to enter his world – external and internal.  However opinion about him was very much divided – some thought he was a bad guy from the very beginning, others changed their minds towards the end, rethinking and revisiting much of what they’d read in the process, and other readers, whilst accepting his actions were bad, felt he himself wasn’t necessarily a bad or malicious person.  After much debate, opinion was still very much split – was he mad, ill or evil? - and how much sympathy, if any, did he deserve (or want)?

The role of the girl (Sam never names her but we know from newpaper reports later in the book that she was called Josephine) was also discussed, and the weight of responsibility she carried in the “abduction” – it had been her idea, but she was only 15 – could she really have understood the dangers in Sam’s character?

At the end of the meeting we briefly looked at some ideas for other books to read.  There was a bit of a split as to whether to mix new and older fiction or just to do more recently published work, but an enthusiasm did emerge to find more women writers who’ve looked beyond the domestic setting, so I will see what I can come up with!  In the meantime we decided to go for Stella Duffy’s “The Room of Lost Things” after Per Petterson’s “Out Stealing Horses”, which is our book at the next meeting – 8th April at 7.30pm – see you there!

Cathy

Whitley Bay Book Group’s First Meeting!

So, Whitley Bay’s Book Group is now up and running!  Many thanks to those of you who braved the freezing cold to join us for the first meeting.

We talked a bit about the different books that we all like to read now – quite a variety! – and agreed that we’re looking forward to discovering books and writers that are new to us.  We have the next couple of books planned courtesy of suggestions copied from other book groups, and we also talked a little bit about what books we’d like to do in the future, whether it be the best of contemporary fiction, classics, those books we always meant to get round to reading but haven’t yet, random favourites, or, as is perhaps more likely, a mixture!  I get the final say on suggestions (oh the power!) but all suggestions gratefully received, either through comments here, or at meetings.  In a later post I’ll talk a bit more about my favourite reads, and maybe we can get a suggestions list going…. 

But, on to our opening book, Chinua Achebe’s “Things Fall Apart”.  For a little book there was a lot to talk about, and I think most felt it was an important and impressive book, although perhaps a little hard to warm to, particularly as the main character was rather challenging and unsympathetic.  The discussion did however come up with our first (but perhaps only?) rule – the end of the book will be dicussed, even if not everyone present has finished the book.  So, please do come along if you haven’t finished (or even read!) the book, but be aware that you’ll come out knowing the end!

And so I’m off to “God’s Own Country” for the next meeting, and look forward to seeing you at the Trojan Rooms, at 7.30 on 11thMarch.

Email problems

It would appear that the email address we originally published on this site for you to register for the group has been somewhat less than reliable so if you haven’t heard back from us yet, it would probably be safe to assume that we never received your mail. So let’s try this again…

The group is free to attend but you must register as a member in advance with New Writing North. For more information, please contact Olivia Mantle on 0191 222 1332 or email olivia@newwritingnorth.com.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

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